Estimating Practices and Procedures Committee
Issue	Details from surveys or attendee input
Information Providers	better training and quality control by software providers on updates to their products
	STANDARDIZING ESTIMATING SYSTEMS
	Electronic delivery of estimating database updates. When?
	Open computer platforms.
	inequalities in database application between insurance companies
	Electronic Data Interchange
	push information providers on the "gap" issue. get it into the system.
	INFORMATION PROVIDER TIME STUDIES S/B CONDUCTED IN QUALITY SHOPS
	Promote an open platform for insurance DRP estimating system requirements
	Estimate program database accuracy - unexplained changes
	insurance company / using the same estimating program as shop
	Improved management systems
	High cost of estimating and long term contracts
	Lack of information in the databases as it relates to substrate identification
Shrinking times/honest times/Database bias towards insurers	Funny times
	Refinish within panel time deductions on repaired panels
	estimating systems time shrinking
	Insurer Steering
	INFO PROVIDERS,,,,,, BAD DATA,,,,,TOO MUCH INSURER INFLUENCE
	The relationship between the Insurance Co's and the estimating Co's i.e. CCC, Mitchell, etc
	Frame repair times are being held lower than required almost all of the time.
	Estimating databases prejudiced toward the Insurance company
	prevent manipulation of the information providers data ,pertaining to time studies,
	why are labor times shrinking?
	insures driving down needed repair operations and stealing techs for shops
	Database "Creativity".  Insurance companies have figured out how to cheat database times .
	Insurance companies chipping estimates and refusing to pay proper procedures
	GETTING PAID FOR WHAT WERE DOING
	INSURANCE COMPANIES ADJUSTING DOWN LABOR TIMES IN THERE ESTIMATE PROGRAMS
	INFORMATION PROVIDER FRAUD & INSURER INFLUENCES IN LABOR TIMES
	REQUIRING P PAGE ESTIMATING AND THEN OVERWRITING THE P PAGES TO SUIT THE PARTICULAR INS CO
	Estimating system labor times not anyway close to reality
	Information providers are allowing insurers to manipulate the databases.
	Insurance company's involvement with data providers
	Database impartiality.
	Insurer alignment with various estimating systems/companies
	not being paid for what we do
	Insurance Company influence over the information providers
	Mis-use of estimating systems:  Very important issue and concern
	Insurance industry manipulation of estimate times (paint times)
	Insurance companies ability to use any estimate system
	incorrect use of the Database whether intentional or unintentional.
	DATA BASE MANIPULATION
	Inaccurate databases specifically labor times
Paint times, processes, allowances, caps	Stop blending repaired panels.
	Refinish within panel time deductions on repaired panels
	insurance material capping
	paint capping
	Feather, Fill, Block, of repaired panels.
	Blend within panel.
	Blending times totally inadequate
	Blend within panel
	material caps should not be allowed
	a calculation to compensate for body materials
	Diminished refinishing times
	insurance capping paint and materials for non DRP shops
	material caps and blend within panel studies
	Feather, prime and block included in estimating system software and paid by Ins Co's
	Blending or Blend within Panel
	insurance companies reducing paint times on repaired panels and not paying prime & block
	Blend within panel repairs
	Caps on P&M
	Insurance carriers cutting/reducing refinish labor. Partial paint times.
	BLEND WITHIN A PANEL (AGAIN)
	Caps  Paint, Materials
	PAINT CAPS
	Keep the gap issue going hopeful we will start getting paid for body materials
	Paint issues, Blend in panel, No repair panel time, No blending for solid colors.
	Tint and blend, block and fill, de-nib and polish
	PAINT CAPS
	BLOCK FILL PRIME
Time studies	Real time estimating
	The industry must insist that the info. providers start doing time studies.
	Repair times study and verification by information providers
	P-pages updates.  Current studies are over 10 years old and incomplete.
	time studies of repair procedures, insurer's creating their own times for procedures
	CIC  should perform time studies on  structural parts to check estimate providers times
	Poor or non existent time studies by information providers
	P-Page  Logic  included not included  ( sealers, sound deadning,clips,ic )
	crash books not correct for wreck car,  time studies not being done
	Time study the see how long it takes to mask off all the opening to over spray out.
	Labor time studies/ estimating vendor.  Who is to monitor the database?
	Insurance rate and PPage restrictions on what we can charge
	P page discussion. on included items